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stacyx ([info]stacyx) wrote,
@ 2009-05-19 06:37:00


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Got hypocrisy?
So four of us apped four Asgardians and one person apped another godling from a different pantheon. We were told they are "too powerful" and would make the game unbalanced.

Despite
1. They would be on their own team. (this is key because they're not upsetting the balance on the pre-existing teams)
2. Their enemies would be on their level.
3. Not all teams in the Marvel Universe are equal in power.
4. There was a plot already to go for them.

One character was a fighter with weak illusionary magic. Very basic illusions.
One character was a strict fighter with no magic.
One character was a sorceress with very little fighting ability
One character was a decent fighter with some magics.
One character was a trickster type and more use of a spy/thief. He could open dimensional portals only to places he knows.

The apps? denied Hissy fit thrown over them because "they're too powerful" characters.


The hypocrisy?

An app was submitted and approved. The app had a character that had the same abilities PLUS MORE. Yes, MORE. As in a more powerful character. But ours were "too powerful". And said character was brought into the game to "have fun and be another male in the game". Not to actually do anything or whatnot.

Funny. I was accused of playing favorites when they are being hypocrites and doing the exact same thing.

Shall we compare the two?

Base Asgardian powerset:
Super Strength 25 tons for average females. 30 tons for average males. (3 of 4 were females and 2 were average or below)
Superhuman Stamina: Asgardians' muscles produce considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than those of humans allowing her to operate at peak levels for longer periods of time. About two or three days of constant activity.
Superhuman Durability: The tissues of Asgardians' bodies are also considerably harder and more resistant to injury than those of a human. She is immune to all known diseases, and resistant to most poisons.
Superhuman Longevity: Asgardians age slower, but aren't immortal.
Regenerative Healing Factor: they heal faster than humans. Cannot heal missing limbs.
Superhumanly Dense Tissue: 3x more dense and harder to injure, but can still be injured.
Exceptionaly Strong Will The Aesir are gods, and possess much greater than human will, being resistant to most manner of possession, mind control and similar effects.
Magic Spells: The majority of the Asgardians all have some potential to practice magic, mostly but not limited to changing their appearances, transforming matter and wielding cosmic, elemental and paranormal energies.

That's the base set. The characters we apped were either strong fighters, or strong magic users. One was in the middle.

Weaknesses varied a little but the baseset was: Cultural unfamiliarity, immortal enemies and powerful ones, vulnerability to non-fatal curses.

The reasoning/why to bring these characters in: explore different parts of the Marvel Universe, have characters prove themselves as heroes and adjust to a new culture.


Now the app:

# Amphibious Physiological Adaptation: X's body is specially developed for underwater conditions, granting him specialized blood circulation to withstand freezing temperatures and highly developed vision to see clearly even in murky ocean depths. This hybrid physiology means he can survive indefinitely underwater or on land, though he would still need occasional contact with water to survive.
# Superhuman Strength: Like all Atlanteans, X is superhumanly strong. While Gambit is immersed in water, or is not severely dehydrated, he is capable of easily lifting 30 tons. However, the longer X is out of contact with water, his strength gradually weakens to the point where he possesses mere fractions of his peak physical strength (although prolonged surface activity could reduce his strength to 33% or lower). Any form of contact with water or consumable liquid will immediately restore him.
# Superhuman Speed: X can run and move at speeds greater than even the finest human athlete. His speed is greatest, however, while swimming where he can reach 40 mph.
# Superhuman Stamina: X's advanced musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of normal human beings, and most other Atlanteans for that matter. X's stamina, much like his strength, steadily declines the longer he is out of contact with water and will diminish to the point where he only has slightly greater stamina than the finest human athlete.
# Superhuman Agility: X's agility, balance, and bodily coordination are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural physical limits of even the finest human athlete.
# Superhuman Reflexes: X's reflexes are similarly heightened and are superior to those of the finest human athlete.
# Superhuman Durability: The tissues of X's body are much harder and more resistant to physical injury than those of normal human beings.
# Aquatic Healing: If injured, X's body can heal damaged tissue faster and more extensively than an ordinary human or most Atlanteans. X's accelerated healing is at its peak while he is immersed in water and diminishes the longer he is out of contact with water or if he is completely dry.
# Extended Longevity: Atlanteans age much slower and live much longer than human beings with the average Atlantean lifespan being about 120 years.
# Amphibious Breathing: Like all Atlanteans, X can breathe indefinitely underwater due to having gills located behind his ears. Unlike most Atlanteans, however, X can also breathe on land indefinitely as well without the aid of breathing devices whereas most Atlanteans can only survive being out of the water for a matter of minutes.
# Aquatic Telepathy: X possesses a telepathic rapport with all forms of marine life. He is able to mentally communicate with most forms of marine life and can mentally persuade them to do assist him.
* Force Fields: X can also mentally generate a psionic field of invisible force apparently drawn from hyperspace, which he manipulates for a variety of effects. Most commonly, X generates near-indestructible invisible force fields around himself or other targets. He can vary the texture and tensile strength of his field to some extent, rendering it highly rigid or as soft and yielding as foam; softer variations on the field enable him to cushion impacts more gently, and are less likely to result in a psionic backlash against X himself (in rare cases, sufficiently powerful attacks on his psionic fields can cause him mental or physical pain).
* Trained in Atlantean combat methods and fluent in English, Atlantean, and Lemurian languages.
And Flight. Yes, he can fly on top of doing all of these things.


And the ones we apped were "Too powerful" but this one was approved so someone who the mods like "could have fun and bring another male into the game"


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(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 03:32 pm UTC (link)
You and the other players withdrew those apps, no one denied them. They were going to be approved, AFTER some questions and rules regarding FUTURE applications for god characters were hammered out. Hell, I was still mulling over apping a mortal character for the Defenders, just not the same one I mentioned in chat, or rather, not in the exact same form without a little retooling. But, you withdrew the apps and quit the game.

Yeah, we approved another alternate-dimension Atlantean, a canon character, I might add. News sure travels fast. Atlanteans are not gods, they're not even godlike. They're just powerful.

I resent being called a hypocrite and being told I threw a "hissy fit" when I have bent over backwards trying to be fair and impartial to everyone, and keep the mud slinging out of this.

Dk

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[info]stacyx
2009-05-19 08:02 pm UTC (link)
Well let's see what was going on:

My bad. The apps were withdrawn. But let's not kid ourselves here. They would have been denied anyway.

1. EVERY email and IM regarding this issue was about how they were "too powerful" and whatnot. There was no mention or indication that there was any discussion of any details being hammered out for future apps before these would be approved. If there was it was you and Karma doing it behind my back considering how I was a mod at the time and I did not see any discussion about future apps. You and Karma ignored two separate emails from other players about the apps. There was not one single word about the apps still being considered. You just chose to ignore the players until they got frustrated enough to withdraw the apps.

2. Godlike. And how he's just powerful. That's funny because he's more powerful and has more abilities than the Asgardians, but he's not godlike. He's just powerful. And he just happens to be canon. Because we know the base Asgardian powerset isn't canon. It was all okay because the player apping the character was in your little clique. We were not and because it was me and people who you label as my friends, we were given a very hard time. Let's start being honest here.

No, you are a hypocrite. We apped characters will less abilities and were given the largest hassle because of who we were. Not to mention we at least had a purpose to bringing our characters into the game and had specific plans for them. Your friend apped a more powerful character and the app was approved right away despite the player having no direction for the character or purpose to bringing the character in. Oh wait. Because he's male. Apparently that is now basis for approving apps.

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 08:52 pm UTC (link)
I really, really want to let all this drop.

1) Nothing was done behind your back.
2) Those apps were GOING TO BE APPROVED. I don't know how many times I have to say that.
3) I never received any emails about the Defenders that didn't come from you, other than a general mass mailing from Jeff to all the players who might be interested. You're right, I didn't answer that because we discussed it all in chat. I have no idea what other emails you're referring to. I did not and do not ignore player emails. Ever.
4) "Atlantean" =/= "godlike". The character in question isn't even the most powerful character currently in the game.
5) There is no clique. Sure, I've known the player in question a long time. I've known you a long time, too.

Honestly, an email requesting clarification on some points before a group of characters that were going to change the scope of the game, just because we didn't have any deities or cosmic PCs before is not a "hassle". There were some points that you hadn't considered, that needed to be brought up. I never expected nor intended anyone to leave the game over it.




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